Microsoft/Unisys Unix-bashing Site Runs FreeBSD 540
Several people sent in variations on this: "Kind of ironic to see that the the site, dubbed WeHaveTheWayOut from Microsoft and Unisys runs on an Apache Web server powered by FreeBSD. This could have made a great April Fools joke, unfortunately for Microsoft, you can verify it by using Netcraft." This is a follow-up to the original story a few days ago. Other readers noted that there's already a WeHaveTheWayIn site up. Wehavethewayout.com was returning Apache headers yesterday; today it's returning "Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0", so it appears they've dumped FreeBSD in a hurry, or maybe just changed the headers.
Conspiracy. (Score:5, Insightful)
Somehow, I doubt it's a big conspiracy. As someone suggested in the Netcraft story this morning, they probably just moved the domain from their marketing firm's hosting farm to their own box or something.
Not that the fact that their own marketing firm won't eat the dog food isn't funny, but this isn't front page news by a long shot.
--saint
Re:Conspiracy. (Score:5, Informative)
Yup. I said yesterday, their site was hosted by Verio, and their IP address was 198.63.57.204.
Today some people get the IP address as 130.94.214.143, which belongs to Microsoft. At my location, DNS still resolves it to 198.63.57.204.
Try this in your browser for fun:
http://130.94.214.143
and then
http://198.63.57.204
Ain't it neat? Both hosts are up and the name servers haven't all caught up with late yesterday's switchy-changy!
Re:Conspiracy. (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Conspiracy. (Score:2, Informative)
Oops, a little check with ARIN shows that the new addy also belongs to Verio. Different server farm, I reckon. Sorry about the confusion.
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Re:Conspiracy. (Score:5, Informative)
21/tcp open ftp
25/tcp open smtp
80/tcp open http
110/tcp open pop-3
443/tcp open https
1433/tcp open ms-sql-s
2105/tcp open eklogin
3306/tcp open mysql
5900/tcp open vnc
Remote OS guesses: MS Windows2000 Professional RC1/W2K Advance Server Beta3, Windows Millenium Edition v4.90.3000
Interesting ports on www.wehavethewayout.com (198.63.57.204):
21/tcp open ftp
25/tcp open smtp
80/tcp open http
110/tcp open pop-3
443/tcp open https
554/tcp open rtsp
3306/tcp open mysql
No exact OS matches for host (If you know what OS is running on it, see http://www.insecure.org/cgi-bin/nmap-submit.cgi).
TCP/IP fingerprint:
SInfo(V=2.54BETA22%P=i386-redhat-li
TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=C
TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=99E7%IPID
TSeq(Class=RI%gcd=1%SI=85D6%TS=U)
T1(Re
T2(Resp=
T3(Resp=Y%DF=Y%W=402E%ACK=S++%Flags=AS%Ops=M)
T5(Resp=Y
T6(Resp=Y%DF=N%W
T7(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=0%ACK=S%F
PU(Resp=Y%DF=N%TOS=0%IPLEN=38%RIPTL
Re:Conspiracy. (Score:2)
Re:Conspiracy. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Conspiracy. (Score:4, Funny)
Nope, not really.
$wget 198.63.57.204
--07:59:17-- http://198.63.57.204/
Connecting to 198.63.57.204:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 9,621 [text/html]
0K
07:59:18 (117.44 KB/s) - `index.html.1' saved [9621/9621]
$wget 198.63.57.204
--07:59:27-- http://198.63.57.204/
Connecting to 198.63.57.204:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 9,621 [text/html]
0K
07:59:28 (93.96 KB/s) - `index.html.2' saved [9621/9621]
Re:Conspiracy. (Score:2)
Probally had more to do with the sever switch than, popularization in the pro-Linux press...
Congrats to everyone who made the site popular (Score:5, Funny)
Thanks to your obsessiveness about netcraft & pretty much useless arguments which web server you use to serve static web pages, we are actually able to make many CIO/CTO's register & have a look at what we have to offer in replacing big-irons hosting databases & directory servers(not web servers serving static web pages, in case you still havn't got it)
The best part was we never spent $1 on marketing this web-site, just released details to CNet.
Again, thanks to everyone, we never imagined we would get so many hits or people looking into it
Re:Congrats to everyone who made the site popular (Score:3, Funny)
I know your post is just a joke, but the reality is that we're hammering the web site, and Microsoft & Unisys will think, "Wow! Look at the hits!" and all that's happening is they're getting /.ed by a bunch of people at work not working.
Re:Congrats to everyone who made the site popular (Score:2)
hahahahahahah how many of those people are reading slashdot daily
Does Microsoft Care (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Does Microsoft Care (Score:5, Insightful)
People DO know because news sites such as Yahoo! and CNet were running this story yesterday (don't have the links, sorry).
And people SHOULD care what OS and Web server is running that site. The entire purpose of that site is to persuade people to think that Windows is as capable as UNIX and then some. So for the site to be running FreeBSD is an embarrasment to Microsoft (or should be).
Would you buy a Hyundai from a salesman who drives a Toyota? I wouldn't.
Re:Does Microsoft Care (Score:5, Interesting)
That's a bit of an understatement. Maybe a better statement would be "Would you buy a Hyundai from a salesman who bashes Toyotas as being unreliable, expensive and unsafe, but sends his kids to school in a Corrolla?"
Re:Does Microsoft Care (Score:5, Informative)
The full article is on page B2.
A lot more people will see that, and they are your boss, not you.
It's still unix... (Score:2, Redundant)
Oh? I'm getting this from Netcraft:
The site www.wehavethewayout.com is running Rapidsite/Apa-1.3.14 (Unix) FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.5a on FreeBSD
Rapidsite/Apa? Some mutant form of Apache? In any case, it's still reporting FreeBSD.
--Jim
...maybe not... (Score:2, Redundant)
bash$ telnet www.wehavethewayout.com 80
Trying 130.94.214.143...
Connected to www.wehavethewayout.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: www.wehavethewayout.com
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
MicrosoftOfficeWebServer: 5.0_Pub
Content-Location: http://www.wehavethewayout.com/index.html
Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 14:16:31 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Last-Modified: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:54:12 GMT
ETag: "575c4824d0d9c11:4a6b5"
Content-Length: 9766
Is Netcraft returning cached information?
--Jim
Re:...maybe not... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:It's still unix... (Score:4, Informative)
The old site (running BSD) is still up at: http://198.63.57.204/
The new site, running win2k/IIS is at: http://130.94.214.143
Re:It's still unix... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:It's still unix... (Score:2, Offtopic)
On a different topic, I just got a Neoware EON4000S terminal client along with about 6 other terminal brands for an eval I'm doing. Does anyone know what Linux distro they run on the Neoware terminals? I haven't been able to get to the command line on my test terminal yet. All of the other terminals are running NTe or CE. Yuck'o'rama.
Very, VERY, Unscientific performance test (Score:4, Informative)
URL 1: http://130.94.214.143/ (IIS)
connects_completed: 12373, responses_completed: 12373 (41.2433/sec), total_errors: 0
msecs/connect: 87.503 mean, 3082.84 max, 81.047 min, 81.308 95min, 84.234 95max
msecs/response: 87.5983 mean, 3098.43 max, 81.848 min, 82.295 95min, 91.204 95max
URL 2: http://198.63.57.204/ (BSD)
connects_completed: 12322, responses_completed: 12322 (41.0733/sec), total_errors: 0
msecs/connect: 17.4765 mean, 21009.6 max, 9.477 min, 9.75 95min, 12.135 95max
msecs/response: 47.6064 mean, 3013.33 max, 12.329 min, 12.651 95min, 162.082 95max
This is very unscientific, and it's only wrt to the index page on both sites. It'd be interesting to see a detailed side-by-side comparison of the two sites. How often will you get to compare a BSD machine against a Microsoft machine maintained by Microsoft themselves, hosting exactly the same content.
Re:Very, VERY, Unscientific performance test (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Very, VERY, Unscientific performance test (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:VERY, Unscientific performance test -Proxied? (Score:2)
That would explain both the poor performance, and the speed of the changeover.
Not that I'm defending anyone, just puking information..
Re:It's still unix... (Score:2, Redundant)
It was FreeBSD with FrontPage extensions through yesterday evening, but must have been moved to a different machine (or masked with fake server headers) over the night.
Rapidsite: (Score:3, Informative)
They've already changed the HTTP headers (Score:2)
Re:They've already changed the HTTP headers (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:They've already changed the HTTP headers (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:They've already changed the HTTP headers (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyway, it's funny; laugh
Re:They've already changed the HTTP headers (Score:2)
Yep. They're called knockoffs and it happens all the time. Now web pages are an interesting case. Let's say that I sell your a Rolllex brand watch. Rolex can come after me because I produced a knock off and diluted their trademark and mis-represented their product 'cause my Rolllex watches break after a day.
But let's say that I tell you that I own a Rolex watch and that it is a real piece of crap. When in fact I own a perfectly good Timex. Can Rolex sue me then? Well, maybe, maybe not. There have been a few cases where people posting opinions were required to remove those postings that disparaged their product.
Then there's a question of whether or not http headers constitute telling the end user what the os is. The vast majority of people don't care or know how to find out what os a site is running.
Just a thought or two.
In other news... (Score:2, Redundant)
This is news? Who gives a shit what webserver propaganda is run on? People are not quite getting it around here, sometimes...
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Insightful)
Since the whole campaign is predicated on GETTING OUT of Unix...the fact that the "way out" of UNIX is hosted on a Unix computer is ... damn funny.
Shoots the whole campaign down the drain, which would explain the rapid spin control to change the server/headers in the past days.
P.S. Someone needs to get on irc://irc.slashnet.org#slashdot and let polaris know about this story. He'll be so surprised!
We have the way out... (Score:4, Funny)
Ummm, yesterday WAS April 1 (Score:2)
I just find it amusing that the editors didn't even consider it was a joke since then it can't be used as a stab at Microsoft.
Re:Ummm, yesterday WAS April 1 (Score:2)
It's really not that ironic (Score:5, Insightful)
Firstly, the ad campaign is about data centers and "big iron", not web servers (i.e. Unisys isn't really about selling low end web serving machines). As such the deployed HTTP platform becomes irrelevant.
Secondly, Unisys apparently contracted an outside vendor, and that vendor just happened to use Apache (and for static content it really, truly doesn't matter. Static HTTP is about as complex as notepad.exe). It's odd that there's a seemingly mixed attitude on Slashdot: One says that Microsoft is an evil beast bashing the world to conform to its ways, and another is a mocking when Microsoft isn't bashing people to conform to their ways. Which do you want?
Re:It's really not that ironic (Score:3, Interesting)
Microsoft *is* bashing people to conform to their ways-- that's what the whole "wayout" site is about. They are being mocked now because they are bashing people to do things the MS way when even they aren't doing it themselves.
In any case, even if there were a mixed attitude, that should be no surprise. There are a lot of different people who post to
mark
Re:It's really not that ironic (Score:2, Insightful)
Microsoft *is* bashing people to conform to their ways-- that's what the whole "wayout" site is about. They are being mocked now because they are bashing people to do things the MS way when even they aren't doing it themselves.
It's just marketing: Nothing more, nothing less. Unisys wants to sell some multiprocessor 2000/XP machines, and they co-market with Microsoft. It's not really that evil or astounding.
However this isn't "Microsoft" running Apache on FreeBSD (though that is a superb platform), it's some random third-party static website host.
In any case, even if there were a mixed attitude, that should be no surprise. There are a lot of different people who post to /.
Agreed, and it is unfair to request a common view from a disparate group of people. However honestly I've seen the same people ebb and flow between diametrically opposed opinions as long as it supports their argument (ex. Microsoft is evil) : That is BAD with a capital B. You have to believe in ideas, not positions.
Re:It's really not that ironic (Score:2)
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. It's basically meaningless in actuality. But it is something to snicker about if you don't really like MS. And I do think it could potentially have a negative effect that it got publicized (probably nothing major, but you know).
mark
OS switch (Score:5, Informative)
Remote OS guesses: Windows Me or Windows 2000 RC1 through final release, MS Wind
ows2000 Professional RC1/W2K Advance Server Beta3, Windows Millenium Edition v4.
90.3000
it also reports a number of interesting ports as open:
21/tcp open ftp
25/tcp open smtp
80/tcp open http
110/tcp open pop-3
443/tcp open https
1433/tcp open ms-sql-s
2105/tcp open eklogin
3306/tcp open mysql
5900/tcp open vnc
whoever set this up did it in a real hurry.
Re:OS switch (Score:4, Funny)
Seriously, though. Putting a site up on a hastily thrown-together, unpatched box is going to bring them even more pain than sucking it up and sticking with FreeBSD.
I can't wait to see what kind of press they get when their brand new W2K box gets owned.
Re:OS switch (Score:2, Funny)
This has got to be fake, there is no way a company as big as Microsoft is Dumb enough to use Sql Server....Nope Nevermind, they are.
A $25 Million dollar ad campaign... (Score:5, Funny)
On behalf of Unix Engineers everywhere: Thank you Unisys. Thank you, Microsoft.
Re:OS switch (Score:5, Interesting)
What about win2k's own remote administration application ? , not good enough for MS ?
Let's hope it doesn't get hacked! (Score:5, Funny)
Wouldn't that be terrible PR for Microsoft! Poor them! I do hope that doesn't happen. Especially bearing in mind that there must be a lot of people reading Slashdot who know how to do such a thing, and might be tempted to do it, or to post information about the open ports to mailing lists that black-hat hackers read. I do hope that doesn't happen, for Microsoft's sake. Poor them.
Yes, I'm glad it hasn't been hacked yet! (Score:5, Funny)
VNC? was Re:OS switch (Score:5, Funny)
Good job they're not running XP then or they'd be violating their own license [slashdot.org]
Re:OS switch (Score:3, Funny)
I hope they realise this is a breach of their EULA
now, where's that VNC brute-forcer...
Well of course! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Well of course! (Score:2)
Re:Well of course! (Score:3, Interesting)
One of my colleague who is an UNIX guru, but has absolutely no knowledge in Microsoft, nothing really, but he decided to find a job in Microsoft. He even told the truth to the interviewer.
To our surprise he was hired at about US$75,000/year. A year later we found that he *still* has very little knowledge about Micosoft's products, and he was very holding back when we asked him what does he do in Microsoft.
So Microsoft pays US$75,000.00 a guy to do nothing? I guess not.
two servers (Score:5, Informative)
Re:two servers (Score:3, Informative)
Web server type is not an issue (Score:4, Informative)
I guess what I am saying is "so what". Microsoft has disclosed the use of Linux for business critical function in their board report a few years ago. We also know that while eBay runs on IIS, the work really is on their database systems, which are on Sun equipment (AFAIK).
[Let's see who else is in the netblock...] (Score:4, Interesting)
www.anna-nicole-smith-nude.com
www.ex-microsof
www.cannabis.com
www.dykesworld.de
www.se
www.germanparts.com
Don't know about that last one... but I'm not going to visit it.
Plus, slashbots, get this: THE IP CHANGED from 198.63.57.204 to 130.94.214.143. They're both hosted by Verio. Maybe that's all they had available at the time, before they moved to a dedicated server. Ooh, here's another idea: who the fuck cares? It's like saying that since the Zone runs Linux on their stats page... Lynch them! Lynch them!
Re:[Let's see who else is in the netblock...] (Score:2)
http://www.ex-microsoft.com/
is a real-estate site!
"For information on this property, contact: Ramona Deaton 817-416-5163 Re/Max, Mid-Cities"
wehavethewayin screwing up big time.; (Score:2, Insightful)
The original had a big Unisys banner (Score:3, Interesting)
We Have The Way Out [wehavethewayout.com] is a big ad for Unisys big iron. Unisys owns U.S. patent 4,558,302 on LZW compression used in GIF images.
Unisys knows it only has 14 1/2 months left in its LZW licensing revenue stream. It needs a new revenue stream if it wants to stay in business. So Unisys gets together with Microsoft to spread FUD about Microsoft's competitors so that Unisys can sell big MS Datacenter iron.
At least it's good in a sick way to see that Unisys is eating its own dogfood, as its logo is a GIF [wehavethewayout.com]. In fact, there's only one non-GIF image on the site, and it's the JPEG with the maze in it.
To attack Unisys, attack Unisys on all fronts.
I screen captured netcraft on March 29 (Score:3, Funny)
The image is here [geocities.com].
Wow... my first real act of karma-whoring. I feel dirty.
-S
Re:I screen captured netcraft on March 29 (Score:2)
In other news... (Score:3, Funny)
yeah, but (Score:5, Funny)
;-)
Re:In other news... (Score:5, Informative)
I've been sending that header for a long time.
OSS browsers are getting a bit more respect lately, but there are still a lot of sites that only accept browsers with knows USER_AGENTs, so we continue to spoof.
You should know better than to believe stats based on unproven data.
:)
obligatory plug: headers spoofed by JunkBuster
Re:In other news... (Score:2, Insightful)
Those figures just show that 97.4% of the people know what they are talking about from experience... errr, yeah, thats it. =)
Why do you think we bash Microsoft?! (Score:2)
Besides, what am I going to use at work, NETSCAPE?!! HA HA! If I keep netscape open for too long, I lose the ability to "click" on links.
Think about how useful websurfing is when you can't CLICK a link!
Re:Why do you think we bash Microsoft?! (Score:2)
HA HA! If I keep netscape open for too long, I lose the ability to "click" on links.
Thanks! Now I finally understand why IE crashes so much.... it's an "auto-reset" feature designed to prevent click loss!
Or a browser that says its IE... (Score:3, Insightful)
Polling user agents out of the server logs is inaccurate, especially on a site like this.
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
I've seen people say stuff like that before, but no one ever backs it up and says how they got this information.
OTOH, after looking at some of the flames on 4/1 and peoples' reactions to the pay-instead-of-gettings-ads thing, I do think that Slashdotters are just regular sheep like everyone else.
Even so, I think your statistic is made up. Microsoft doesn't have 97% of the market, even among sheep.
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
I can't put an exact figure to it, but you are probably not far off. Whenever I get a real level-5 "zinger" in on /., I naturally get a lot more referrers from /. There is some correlation between that spike, and the number of hits from Linux clients. I suspect that if I didn't post on /. I'd almost never get hit by a Linux client. At any rate, the surge in hits on those days contains only a small fraction of *NIX user agents.
An interesting side note: The surge in popularity of Konquerer was very sudden and obvious. One month I had a smattering of Lynx and X11 Mozilla clients on my site, the next I had something like 20 or 30 Konq hits. For a while, it seemed like Konq was the only *NIX browser to hit my site.
Re:In other news... (Score:3, Insightful)
97.4% of slashdot users, the popular Microsoft bashing site, are using Internet Explorer.
And 99.9% of visitors to the Libertarian Party website [lp.org], the popular income tax bashing site, pay income tax.
Re:In other news... (Score:2)
And in other news, Microsoft Astroturfers working overtime as Slashdot moderators...
Great riposte (Score:3)
A few points:
1) Why don't we make a list of ways the site can be made better, to help the Linux Freak guys? Bear in mind that this is aimed at pointy haired bosses.
2) How can we make sure that this is seen by people? Improve it's ranking in Google etc.
3) Remember it's aimed at PHBs - they're sensitive types. I think the site as it is is done very well, but even things like linking to the linuxfreak site might upset a PHB.
Come on guys, let's help this postitive activism rather than moan about Microsoft all the time!
Then, if you know your PHB has been infected by the Microsoft anti-Unix marketing meme, you can point him towards this site.
Great work LinuxFreaks.
Re:Great riposte (Score:4, Interesting)
One way I think the site could be improved is to have a list of big companies that have converted to Linux/BSD recently. We could make a 'best of Linux users' listing from the following pages:
SUSE ccasestudies [suse.com]
Lufthansa
RedHat casestudies [redhat.com]
Oracle, Amazon, Merrill Lynch
IBM case studies [ibm.com]
Shell, NCSA
[hp.com]
HP Case studies
Dreamworks, Boeing
I guess NASA should go on the list somewhere.
Any more?
Re:Great riposte (Score:2)
Is there a site anywhere that links to all the news articles on the web that Microsoft would rather PHBs didn't read?
FreeBSD server still there (Score:2, Redundant)
The FreeBSD server that was originally hosting the site is still up. If you look at the Netcraft page here [netcraft.com] you can see the IP address of the new Win2K server is 130.94.214.143 [130.94.214.143] where as the IP of the FreeBSD one is 198.63.57.204 [198.63.57.204]. Both are working at the moment though I doubt this will be the case for many more hours.
Someone also suggested earlier that the domain was being transfered from a hosting service to MS but you can see that the IPs are both in Verio's netblock so thats not the case. My guess would be that MS/Unisys saw/were told what was being used to host the site and said they wanted it moved to a Win2K box. We've just experienced the delay as the DNS updates.
How long until they get hacked then? A high profile campaign like this is bound to bring out all the kiddies and some of the not-so-kiddies. Maybe we should have a sweekstake? :-)
Cheers...
DNS Changed (Score:2, Informative)
The interesting thing here is that the original site
is still online: http://198.63.57.204
Here's a little netcat "chat" I had with the old server
So it in some sense still runs FreeBSD
RavenZ
FreeBSD on purpose (Score:2)
So, we are in essence facilitating them by continuing to check the site.
Re:FreeBSD on purpose (Score:2)
I like...
Do you know who shot JFK too?
This site also uses Java! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:This site also uses Java! (Score:2)
Not news? (Score:2)
What? Do you work for Microsoft or something?
This is pretty big news to me.... I mean the irony is killing me!
Mircosoft, the hater of all things linux and bsd, is using the said offensive material to run their site!
First off, that's just funny.
Second, obviously someone thought BSD was more secure to run a server.
Third, they know how to run a server off of BSD.
Now they'll switch from BSD to windows... That site will get hacked time and time again... Showing how secure it really is. They can spend on the money they want to on a slanderous campain, but the truth will be shown.
Re:Not news? (Score:2)
This, I do not doubt.
MSN still hasn't found thewayout (Score:3, Interesting)
For those too lazy to click the link, fear a hidden goatse or find netcraft slow at the moment:
The site homepages.msn.com is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) ApacheJServ/1.1.2 on Solaris.
On a side note. (Score:2, Funny)
Did anybody else notice that their way out [wehavethewayout.com] is a window the size of a small pet door. Of course the malnutritioned (sp?) geeks can fit through that but they don't really want to. It's the managers that are supposed to want to get away from *nix and they'd never fit through that hole.
Maybe the managers are just supposed to shove as many IT guys out the window as they can and hope for the best.
Anyways, back to M$ bashing.
impto, suspected troll
uhhhh (Score:2, Interesting)
but look who else the hosting provider is hosting. (Score:2, Interesting)
top of their list:
ex-microsoft.com
When I posted cNet story to the original thread (Score:4, Informative)
Also per this chart [netcraft.com] they also run Apache on two other 'unknown' Unix platforms.
For all you "this isn't news" people... (Score:5, Insightful)
Because there is no better product endorsement than to be seen in public "eating your own dogfood," or "putting your money where your mouth is." Conversely, there's nothing worse you can do to hurt a company's reputation than to work for them and be seen using the products of their competitor. This makes people wonder, "If Company A's product is supposed to be so good, how come a Company A employee, who probably gets it cheaper than Joe Schmoe consumer (or even free), still chooses Company B's competing product?"
This is why people who work at car dealerships are given demo cars for personal use. Would you want to buy a GM car from a salesman who drives to the dealership every day in a Toyota? Would you find his pitch about how GM cars are superior to all others very believable, when his personal funds went to buy a non-GM car?
I remember reading a couple months ago (and just Googled the article, 2nd from the top) that highly-paid Pepsi shill Britney Spears was photographed with Coca Cola products [lowbrowlowdown.com]. Twice, in a rather short time frame. Pepsi publicly pooh-poohed this, but you can be sure that their PR people are chugging Pepto Bismol over it, because she holds sway over a nation of twelve year-old girls who want to be her-- which would entail them consuming Coke when they're not busy filming a commercial for Pepsi.
This is why it's news when Microsoft chooses someone else's product to run something, or when they fail when trying to replace a competing product with their own and end up proving that said Microsoft product doesn't live up to its marketing hype (e.g. Hotmail's original failed NT conversion). In this particular case, it's just a boneheaded mistake-- nobody thought to say, "Oh, by the way, let's make sure that our anti-UNIX site is running on IIS," but it's still noteworthy if for not other reason than because of the almost comical irony.
~Philly
Re:For all you "this isn't news" people... (Score:3, Funny)
or budweiser girls, and no camera :( (Score:3, Interesting)
>photographed with Coca Cola products
about 10 years ago, our vegas brewing club (snafu) attended a lot of chili cookoffs, which generally benefitted some charity or another. We'd take contributions, and only tended to share our beer with those that had donated at our booth.
At one of these, our president, who was, uhh, outgoing, even when sober (if that ever happened
Believe it or not, they did, though their bodyguard was a bit uneasy. And not a single one of us had a bloody camera!!!!!
*sigh*
hawk
fragmentation (Score:4, Insightful)
Frankly, I think Microsoft sees promotion of FreeBSD as:
1) An opensource OS it can reap benefits from without giving back
2) A way of fragmenting unix/linux, thus hurting microsoft's biggest threat: linux. Just as keeping Apple just lively enough to keep the justice department off their backs, I think they realize that splitting unix/linux into factions will keep microsoft stronger, relatively speaking. Both of these are things right out of go strategy, and Gates is a go player.
In other words, I wouldn't be surprised a bit if we were supposed to discover that the site is running FreeBSD.
prove of freebsd server !!! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:prove of freebsd server !!! (Score:3, Funny)
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Bwahahaahahaaahaahaahahaah!! Earlier I commented that their using IIS-looking 404 pages was an indication they actually did switch over to IIS. Looks like I was wrong they actually did just try to hide their using Apache by setting custom ErrorDocuments.
Not so! (Score:2)
Re:It's a hoax. (Score:2)
Re:Campaign (Score:2, Funny)
Anyway, I hope they do send me some stuff, havent been sent any AOL disks for a while so I could do with some clean coasters.
Re:Still Apache! (Score:2, Interesting)
It's the bosses, CxOs, and the like that are looking for a technology solution and see ``We can get you out of the trap of using Unix. Our stuff is just as good, and cheaper to boot, and will server your needs as well. Please ignore the fact that we're not using our own technology. We can still produce kickass stuff. We're just not using it outselves for
And those people are the ones that you don't want to pull a poorly handled shell game on, because, in the end, they're the ones that make the buying decisions.