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NetBSD Announces Logo Design Competition

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the more-bee-for-your-ess-dee dept.

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jschauma writes "The NetBSD Project has announced that it has launched an international competition for the creation of a new logo. There is a cash prize of US $100.00 for the winning entry. The successful logo will also have wide exposure, featuring in all NetBSD material including, but not limited to; the NetBSD.org web site, software media, apparel, and business systems. The competition will close on February 29, 2004. The rules of the competition, submission information and the design brief can be found in the official announcement, which has already spawned some discussion on the netbsd-advocacy and current-users MailingLists." The announcement notes that the current logo is "too complicated... hard to reproduce... [and] has negative cultural, and religious ramifications."

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wow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984112)

NetBSD. What's it all about? Is it good, or is it whack?

Re:wow (-1, Flamebait)

gazbo (517111) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984118)

It's a firewall manufacturer. I hear that it's pretty good, but a bit slow and hard to setup.

Re:wow (3, Funny)

Duty (731705) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984150)

NetBSD's claim to fame is running on everything from your PC to a dead squirrel in a cardboard box.

Re:wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984234)

The new logo is supposed to represent the goals of the NetBSD project. So, from what you said, are we to assume that your recommendation for the new NetBSD logo is a dead squirrel in a cardboard box ?

Re:wow (1)

spoodie (641820) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984162)

It's another flavour of UNIX, information on how it differs from other flavours will be discussed on the website www.netbsd.org.

Re:wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984242)

It's a BSD flavour to be correct. Or YAUL (Yet another unix like)

I PORTED NETBSD TO TEH SPOKE!!!~1` (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984175)

Re:wow (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984211)

If you're asking about the OS, it's pretty good. The troll below was thinking of OpenBSD -- and a bit off the mark -- but basically, think OpenBSD without the security focus, with the conveniences of FreeBSD (sometimes done better; pkgsrc [netbsd.org] is rather sweet, and claims to handle builds on Linux as well!), relatively small installation size, cutting-edge features, and of course, ridiculous portability. Definitely Just The Thing for that 486DX2-50 collecting dust (unless it's to be a firewall or bastion host - then you want OpenBSD), and quite useful anywhere else as well.

If you're planning an 'intensive' workload (more specifically, "if you're planning something that will actually put stress on a $2,000+ server"), then FreeBSD and soon DragonFly [dragonflybsd.org] will be worth looking into. (DragonFly will be cool for other reasons, but then, I'm a fanboy.)

As to this logo business... Well, in a perfect world, people would use BSDs more often, and accept any lingering 'incorrectness' to the logo (it's supposed to be a daemon, not a demon, so the saying goes) as the price paid for getting a great, maintainable, don't-even-have-to-follow-GPL-sharealike-rules OS. But pragmatically, a lot of NetBSD core seems to work for Wasabi Systems [wasabisystems.com] -- call them the RedHat of NetBSD, but of course, the overall NetBSD community doesn't quite have the size and clout of the 'Linux community,' so keeping those guys fed is more intrinsic to the project's survival in the near term. If the logo's losing them contracts (and what's worse than losing a contract for nontechnical reasons?), then hey, maybe it's time for the weird to turn pro.

Re:wow (1)

dipipanone (570849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984312)

maybe it's time for the weird to turn pro

In this instance, it's more of a case of the pro turning weird, surely?

First order of business (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984113)

Design a first post, with nothing but legos!!!

devil? (1, Interesting)

nempo (325296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984115)

What's wrong with the devil ? Paint the word 'NetBSD' on his belly/chest and we're all set.

Re:devil? (0, Flamebait)

Daengbo (523424) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984164)

I suggest the currently skewered and dying Devil thrashing like a dolphin in a fishing net. Gets the entire concept across, donchaknow?

Re:devil? (1)

vidarh (309115) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984178)

What's wrong with it is that some deeply religious people consider it a symbol of evil, and make stupid assumptions about people using the logo or wearing it on t-shirts etc., such as believing them to be satanists. It might not have been a problem if people knew what BSD was, but for most people "NetBSD" is as meaningful as a string of random characters.

Re:devil? (1)

badger.foo (447981) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984252)

It's a deamon, actually.

One example of what can happen can be found at http://www.hut.fi/~hynde/humor/DevilStory.html (it's also in Greg Lehey's CFBSD, btw)

Re:devil? (-1, Redundant)

nempo (325296) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984310)

wtf?! I made a completely valid point here and it gets modded redundant?

Looking for a politicly correct logo? (5, Funny)

HanzoSpam (713251) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984116)

"too complicated... hard to reproduce... [and] has negative cultural, and religious ramifications."

So political correctness has made it to open source.

Oy!

Re:Looking for a politicly correct logo? (0)

ads.osdn.com.blocked (735166) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984138)

No. It just plain sux.

Politically correct NetBSD Logo (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984322)

Can be found here [shat.net] ...

Its Official (-1, Troll)

zachusaf (540628) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984121)

It's offical, Netcraft confirms Net BSD's logo is dying

Re:Its Official (0, Funny)

HanzoSpam (713251) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984146)

It's offical, Netcraft confirms Net BSD's logo is dying

Maybe they should change the logo to a closed casket.

angels? (1, Funny)

hyphun (728915) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984123)

so now we're going to change it to angels, i hope?
OR... Winnie the pooh!
OR... http://www.sco.com/images/sco_logo_blue.gif

Re:angels? (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984350)

so now we're going to change it to angels, i hope?

I'm sure the church has that copyrighted or trademarked or something.

I think the logo should be a tombstone (-1, Troll)

Captain Bollocks (735649) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984125)

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_?88____________________88P______`8P
__88b__________________d88
__888888b__.d888b,_d888888________88b_.d888b,
__88P_`?8b_?8b,___d8P'_?88________88P_?8b,
_d88,__d88___`?8b_88b__,88b______d88____`?8b
d88'`?88P'`?888P'_`?88P'`88b____d88'_`?888P'

______d8b________________________d8b
______88P________________________88P
_____d88________________________d88
_d888888___d8888b_d888b8b___d888888
d8P'_?88__d8b_,dPd8P'_?88__d8P'_?88
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well then (-1, Flamebait)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984126)

cultural, and religious ramifications.
If you cant have that in a logo what are you going to have. mhhh. Oh well I look forward to giving them my 2 cents worth of a design.

$100? (4, Funny)

perly-king-69 (580000) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984129)

There is a cash prize of US $100.00 for the winning entry.

With the dollar going the way it is it'll cost me more to bank the cheque than it is worth over here!

Re:$100? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984170)

Flamebait? .... I guess it was an upset american who marked this posting that way... I was thinking the exact sam thing... Although, if I had a chance in hell to win, there's probably some good way of donating it to some US-based charity that can do something useful with the check. //fatal

Re:$100? (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984287)

well, 100$ would cover the price of 16 months of goatse.cx registartion (75$/year).
The problem is .CX doesn't want it to be resolved again.

Re:$100? (2, Informative)

perly-king-69 (580000) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984239)

Joke! Don't be so touchy.

But, in 2001 $100 would have bought me 71. Today it'll buy me 55, which I reckon to be about 1/3rd less.

Looks fine to me! (3, Insightful)

CaptainAlbert (162776) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984131)

> too complicated...

for whom? for what?

> hard to reproduce...

== hard to forge...

> [and] has negative cultural, and religious
> ramifications.

No, it doesn't. It's a cartoon devil. It doesn't offend anyone. Really. Unless you're one of those freaks who won't let their kids watch Scoobie-doo because it's got ghosts in it. Trust me. If it were hanging on a cross or wearing a turban, *then* maybe it'd need changing.

Sheesh!

Re:Looks fine to me! (3, Insightful)

dave420 (699308) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984144)

It's a devil. Devils are evil. Cartoon or not, it's a symbol with evil connotations, which some people could feasibly find offensive.

For any sort of organisation to have a logo which could cause offense isn't a good start.

After all, with your logic, a swastika is just a bunch of lines... how could that offend anyone?

Re:Looks fine to me! (1)

Tellarin (444097) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984195)


regarding the swastika it was a symbol of Love and Life and a symbol to protect against evil

that's precisely why the Nazis used that, so even a "good" symbol can now represent evil

what about an supposed "evil" symbol like a devil (ok, ok, it's a daemon)?

of course some people will fill offended

Re:Looks fine to me! (5, Funny)

adrianbaugh (696007) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984244)

> It's a devil.

It's not, it's a daemon. A friendly helper that lives inside your computer serving websites, answering your spam and being fingered. Really, if I had to put up with all that it'd be enough to make me grow horns and a tail!

Re:Looks fine to me! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984258)

You need a swastika shoved up your faggot ass

Re:Looks fine to me! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984272)

Before Hitler the swastika was a good luck symbol. It's only Hitler (and the fact that we're all simple and can't cope with having overloaded meanings for common symbols) that means a swastika is now universally negative.

Re:Looks fine to me! (2, Interesting)

dipipanone (570849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984303)

It's a devil. Devils are evil.

Perhaps they might be if they existed outside of the fevered imaginations of religious fundamentalists, but as they are, at most, a metaphor it's hard to see why rational people would be bothered. And why would you try and accomodate the prospective rantings of irrational people? There's no predicting what those could be.

Cartoon or not, it's a symbol with evil connotations, which some people could feasibly find offensive.

Rather like the SCO trademark, you mean?

After all, with your logic, a swastika is just a bunch of lines.

Not really. A swastika is the symbol of an organization that verifiably eradicated six million jews and similar numbers of gay people, Romany gypsies, etc.

When people can point to similar empirically verifiable actions done in the name of a little red man with horns, a pitchfork and a pointed tail, I might take this argument seriously.

Did anyone ever see that episode of Jackass, where a guy dressed in a red devil suit was being assaulted by passers-by, who clearly thought that by punching a guy in a red suit, they were doing battle with the true Prince of Darkness?

Perhaps Net-Bsd should substitute the face of Saddam or Osama for the devil? That should really get the product shifting off the shelves. (OK then, the FTP servers for the pedants out there.)

Re:Looks fine to me! (4, Insightful)

KillerLoop (202131) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984151)

*not* the BSD devil, check out the link given in the story.

Re:Looks fine to me! (2, Insightful)

Yorrike (322502) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984159)

What's wrong with wearing a turban?

Re:Looks fine to me! (1)

asm0deu5 (637735) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984286)

He's talking about a demon wearing a turban as being potentially offensive to some.

Re:Looks fine to me! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984173)

I'm an Evangelical Baptist pastor; I love the little guy.

Let's lighten-up, netbsd folks, ok?

Re:Looks fine to me! (1)

dipipanone (570849) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984353)

I'm an Evangelical Baptist pastor; I love the little guy.

You mean in the same way that Jimmy Swaggart and Jim and Tammy Bakker did? ;-)

Re:Looks fine to me! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984187)

Unless you're one of those freaks

How are they going to run xBSD or Linux without a few daemons? (Perhaps the archaic spelling fooled them?)

Re:Looks fine to me! (1, Insightful)

AllUsernamesAreGone (688381) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984202)

"It doesn't offend anyone."

Okay, I challenge you to wear a BSD t-shirt and walk around several south-US states (texas would be a good one).

Trust me, those religious nuts will have you arrested. And bring the asbestos underwear because they'll probably try burning you as a devil worshiper...

IMO the devils logo is good, the more religious nuts it pisses off the better - maybe someday they'll realise how rediculous they sound. Although I doubt it.

(/me wonders how long it'll take for this to get modded as flamebait.. meh, I've got karma spare..)

Re:Looks fine to me! (4, Insightful)

EinarH (583836) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984330)

Trust me, those religious nuts will have you arrested.
Yeah, but that is because they dropped out of school. If they had had any historic sence they probably would have recognized the original picture [rootsweb.com] , and then it would have been okay for them.
(and let us not get into the discussion on wheter the picture is fake or not, that's offtopic)

Re:Looks fine to me! (5, Insightful)

Ubi_NL (313657) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984204)

No, it doesn't. It's a cartoon devil. It doesn't offend anyone. Really. Unless you're one of those freaks who won't let their kids watch Scoobie-doo because it's got ghosts in it. Trust me. If it were hanging on a cross or wearing a turban, *then* maybe it'd need changing.

It has nothing to do with the devils. It's a cartoon of a statue in which american soldiers are planting an american flag. That makes it culturally biased.

Although you have to be an idiot to be offended by it, loads of people (especially in some 'liberated' countries) are suchs type of idiots and there is no reason to get into this unnecessary type of trouble

Re:Looks fine to me! (3, Funny)

Bish.dk (547663) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984213)

No, it doesn't. It's a cartoon devil. It doesn't offend anyone. Really. Unless you're one of those freaks who won't let their kids watch Scoobie-doo because it's got ghosts in it.

Reminds me of this story [interesting-people.org] featuring a poor sysadmin's experience in Hick Town, Texas.

Re:Looks fine to me! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984228)

It's the fact that they are taking an event from U.S. history and displaying the soldiers as devils. If this were a political cartoon one could take it to mean that the U.S. are a bunch of evil devils. This is what they meant by cultural ramifications, or at least I'm assuming that's what they meant.

Re:Looks fine to me! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984262)

You insensitive clod! My wife is wearing a turban. She just got out of the shower.

Re:Looks fine to me! (5, Insightful)

Ashtead (654610) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984320)

The single cute "cartoon devil" (whose name may or may not be Chuck) [mckusick.com] that we see here on slashdot as the section logo for BSD, and which is really meant to be a visualization of a daemon, is not what's under consideration here. As a symbol for BSD, it is about as well-known and effective as Tux is for Linux.

However, these angry troll/devil hybrids in sneakers trampling over what appears to be a lot of desktop computer hardware [netbsd.org] however, is evidently what is found in need of an update.

I can list a few likely reasons for changing this, off the top of my head:

One thing is that devils is a somewhat religious device, not found in all religions.

Then there is the aesthetics of this. The logo is just kinda ugly. These guys are not all that different in appearance from some football hooligans... and after all, there is a strong element of marketing here, whether we like it or not. Would you want to buy an operating systems from these guys?

Political correctness or accusations of same, marketing and aestetics aside, I would say it is just as much that the design of the monitors is becoming dated, since many of us now have relatively skinny LCDs, not fat CRT-based ones. If nothing else, the logo is becoming tecnically dated.

All these could, individually, be considered warrants for change.

A whopping $100 (1)

muyuubyou (621373) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984139)

Looks like it's cheap to finance international contests lately.

I think I'm announcing a couple of them and probably slashdot will be kind enough to dedicate me a post.

sympathy for the devil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984141)

geez even open source starts to stinks and sucks >:-(

Cool (1)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984145)

I'm going to submit a drawing of a penguin. After all that has no negative cultural or religious ramifications right? Seems perfect to me.

Re:Cool (1)

Rhubarb Crumble (581156) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984246)

I'm going to submit a drawing of a penguin. After all that has no negative cultural or religious ramifications right?

Blasphemer! Bow down and worship Pengra, the Baby Penguin God. [geocities.com]

Logo Suggestion (3, Funny)

Giant Ape Skeleton (638834) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984147)

I think a penguin would be...
oh, wait. nevermind.

Re:Logo Suggestion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984160)

Courtesy of the Department of Redundancy Dept.

This is SOOO obvious (2, Interesting)

Phekko (619272) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984149)

The BSD d(a)emon holding a gladiator-like net.

Re:This is SOOO obvious (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984283)

The BSD d(a)emon holding a gladiator-like net.

But they want to get away from religious figures in their logo. I think it'd be best to come up with a simple text "NetBSD" in Gimp and then add a lens-flare effect. $100 here I come!

How about (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984166)

A cute little devil jabbing a pitchfork into bgates' butt?

OpenBSD should consider the idea (1)

ospirata (565063) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984171)

Well, as long as we are talking about BSD, the OpenBSD should consider changing its logo as well.
Let's face it: what's is the point of a BSD system with a fat-sad-tired fish?

Support the Religious Reich? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984174)

Seriously, what's wrong with the devil? Too hard to reproduce? It's called creating another set of art that is "CAMERA READY" for reproduction on t-shirts, or whatever else. When you see that little devil, you think BSD. Anybody who is too concerned that it's "EEEEEVIL" doesn't work with computers well enough to understand how to run BSD.

Just because BSD runs on PCs doesn't mean that they need to be PC. That's a load of crap.

This is a true waste of space (-1)

3lb4rt0 (736495) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984179)

Well you can't mod my karma down any further so I'll speak my mind.

NetBSD want to change their logo and offer $100 prize for the winner.

Who Fucking Cares!

They should just do a single bsd devil with net written on its chest and give the $100 to a charity.

Hm.... (1)

dillee1 (741792) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984180)

Hm.... The current frontierman image suits the ethics of netbsd quite well. Conquer any platfrom and make then run BSD.

current logo rocks, (0)

k0d0 (648229) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984185)

it's the reason why I installed NetBSD on one of my boxen. So if they change the logo and I don't like it...I'll have to setup OpenBSD or FreeBSD again ;)

no seriously I don't see any reason why the current logo should offend anyone...it's just a cartoon!

It's not that they're devils .... (5, Insightful)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984189)

Several people have posted (in the usual /. manner) that they don't see an issue with the devil, it's a cartoon, right wing religious wackos, etc. Well its not the devil, it's what the devils are doing. The devils are in a pose that mimics one that is usually associated with valour and the giving of ones life for "liberty" (whether or not you agree that this particular pose does or not is for another discussion). So now you have a logo that uses characters associated with negative deeds (the devil, cartoon or not) in the place of men associated with honor and self sacrafice. Given the current events, I could see how this logo, while passing under the radar for many years, is now suddenly considered inappropriate.

I can understand how many would find it inappropriate, which is unfortunate because for those who've been around the BSD and the computer scene for a while know exactly what the logo is trying to represent and it's quite accurate in that regard.

Re:It's not that they're devils .... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984280)

Valor? Liberty? I associate that picture with murder, imperialism, and nuclear warfare.

Re:It's not that they're devils .... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984292)

Yeah, plenty of "honor" and "self sacrafice" in Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Only idiots would find it inappropriate (-1, Flamebait)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984334)

I can't read into the minds of the original logo designers but I imagine the design was supposed to be a lighthearted play on the word "daemon",
NOT devil. Perhaps people should get their heads out of their politically correct backsides and get a life instead of worrying about this sort of thing.
What next , will TV and film producers start self censoring anything with ANY type of POTENTIALLY negative religious artifacts or icons? Or perhaps rock bands should stop using
devils etc in their logos? What the hell is the matter with people these days??

Oh, this makes me angry... (1)

spoodie (641820) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984192)

...put Jesus, Buddha or Muhammed on the end of the Devil's trident and maybe you'd have a case!

NetBSD is LAME for getting rid of the daemon logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984197)

The logo does not show the 'devil' -- it show's daemons. According to Merriam-Webster, a daemon is:

2 usually daemon : an attendant power or spirit : GENIUS
3 usually daemon : a supernatural being of Greek mythology intermediate between gods and men
4 : one that has exceptional enthusiasm, drive, or effectiveness

Definition states that it is an evil spirit that intends to do harm, however that definition refers to the 'demon' spelling, not the 'daemon' spelling popular in Unix culture.

NetBSD is now getting politically correct? Time for me to switch to a new OS. OpenBSD and FreeBSD both suddenly got much more attractive to me.

I know why (lol) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984199)

It's because of Photoshop. You can't open an devil image in Photoshop CS v2 LOL.

If BSD starts to sux you know why, there is already a nice logo with an Apple and an X (is the X too porn for the free open source mind?)

Iwo Jima photo by Joe Rosenthal (3, Informative)

basingwerk (521105) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984200)

The original Iwo Jima photo by Joe Rosenthal was faked the day after the victory. In the NetBSD reproduction, the US troops have been replaced by devils, and the mountain top is a pile of computer hardware. The US flag has become a simple banner proclaiming NET Bsd. Notwithstanding any political correctness in this decision, it is hard to see the relevance of the current logo.

Re:Iwo Jima photo by Joe Rosenthal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984233)

At the time it was conceived, it probably symbolized the victory over AT&T -- leading to the release of the 4.3BSD NET/2 sources -- and the struggle ahead of the project to do something useful with them.

But that was the last time a Bush was in the White House, if that.

Suggestion (1)

junics (664175) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984201)

They always said it can be run on a toaster so why not a toaster logo?

Re:Suggestion (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984278)

Yeah, painted in red, with a couple of horns and a tail and...
oh wait, nevermind.

Mod parent up! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984297)

Good idea! Especially after you combine it with Emacs kitchen sink!

va lairIE/robbIE search for new slowgun? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984212)

'stuff that matters' to be replaced?

stuff that monIEs? stuff our wallets? stuff IT in yOUR .asp?

it's all gooed anyway?

formerly 'off limits' melinda gates touts BugWear? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984232)

on tv?

taking a ?pr firm? hypenosys cue from robbIE/the won-eyed girl's feenominull suckssass eye gas, no DOWt?

won-eyed girl/ms gates, chosen over illegal aliens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984307)

to pilot the fairytail georgewellian fuddite corepirate nazi execrable moon/mars/bars shot, & time machine projects?

there's rumour that the illegal aliens backed out of the deal on concerns about the won-eyed girl's failure to provide requested health status documentation.

sales of turnbulltax's illegal alien edition have dropped off dramatically, as a result of their (the alien's) failure to puppetize.

the fuddites have now proposed an illegal alien deletion devise, to corewrecked the 'problem'. further rumour indicates it's (the deletion devise) now being tested on that o'neill guy?

Re:va lairIE/robbIE search for new slowgun? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984294)

$cat /dev/urandom > crap

$cat crap
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Suggestions (2, Funny)

WhyteRabbyt (85754) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984215)

1) Change the colour. Red is too demonic. Black would be good, no-one objects to Tux after all, but you wanna make the face stand out. Make that much lighter, and slightly more prominent.
2) Lose the horns. Something like big round ears would be friendlier.
3) Lose the pitchfork and tail. You want something that gives an air of class - like white gloves
4) No nudity, please; we need more than trainers or this is just pornography. Put shorts on the dude or something. You could even make them red, sort of a homage to the original. But you'd need to simplify the footwear.

That would be perfect. No-one could ever object to that.

It would look something like this : google link [google.com]

Best Logos Ever, Eric Schwartz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984216)

Get Eric Schwartz to do something. his amizilla logo [discreetfx.com] is amazing. A reptile with mammaries!. Who cares. it looks good.

I'm sure he could do something tasteful and mediocre if he needed.

my logo (-1, Troll)

ruda (128152) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984219)

I offer this logo -> 666
Please, send me $100.00 now!

Re:my logo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984316)

Sadly, it is already taken: http://www.amatproduct-gold.com/OpenImg.asp?Title= Betty%20Los%20!%20Piss%20Ab%20!!&ImageURL=http://w ww.sulfurishop.com/ImagesProducts/28001_L.jpg

Does SCO have a mascot? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984220)

Picking one for them could be really tough!

How about... (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984222)

[freshmeat.net]
this.

Obvious movie reference (1, Funny)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984231)

SCENE: Dr Evil addressing /. audience ...

Dr. Evil: ... and the reward for best logo will be ... [PAUSE FOR EFFECT] 1 HUUUNNNDREED DOLLARS!

[FAST ZOOM ON DR. EVILS MOUTH/PINKY]

Dr. Evil: And can I get a logo with devils with frickin lasers on their heads!

Similarities, but not quite to Intel's Pentium (5, Interesting)

deunan_k (637851) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984241)

Pentium

It is called "Pentium" because it is the fifth in the 80x86 line. It would have been called the 80586 had a US court not ruled that you can't trademark a number.

The successors are the Pentium Pro and Pentium II.

The following Pentium variants all belong to "x86 Family 6", as reported by "Microsoft Windows" when identifying the CPU:

Model Name
1 Pentium Pro
2 ?
3 Pentium II
4 ?
5, 6 Celeron or Pentium II
7 Pentium III
8 Celeron uPGA2 or Mobile Pentium III

The name was chosen because of difficulties Intel had in trademarking a number. It suggests the number five (implying 586) while (according to Intel) conveying a meaning of strength "like
titanium".

Intel did not stick to this convention when naming its P6 processor the Pentium Pro; many believe this is due to difficulties in selling a chip with "sex" in its name. Successor chips have been
called `Pentium II' and `Pentium III'.

Sorry, the above comments I pirate it off - http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pentium

The last paragraph is more closely related to NetBSD (or all BSDs in general) problem. I read an article somewhere years ago that, Intel actually engaged a consulting firm in order to come out with a name for suitable for the 586. One of the criterias was that it must be something not offensive in any languages spoken worldwide.

Call it political correctness, but you don't offend anyone if you can help it. Especially a wold class entity doing business worldwide.

NetBSD, is an entity that transact with people all over the world. People from all walks of life. Personally, I love the BSD daemon, kinda cute.. But I'm sure it is not the OS of choice for some/most religious organization.. Esp. those conservative ones who have yet to discover fire.

Well, if they decide on a new logo in order not to offend the sensibilities of 'potential' customers, why not indeed?

Regards all and everyone - peace!

Re:Similarities, but not quite to Intel's Pentium (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984284)

Regards all and everyone - peace!
I'm offended. The politically correct way to convey such a message is:

"Propz to all my niggas, fuck tha war!"

Hmm, I should submit that as my entry to the NetBSD logo competition :)

Sexium? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984362)

many believe this is due to difficulties in selling a chip with "sex" in its name. Successor chips have been called `Pentium II' and `Pentium III'.

Nice bar room and water cooler fodder, but please. Intel wanted to include the 5 (pent) because up until then people were used to the progression of numbers. By the time the Pentium took hold, Intel realized that they had a large investment (market investment, not just money) in what had become a marketable product family name, which the x86 chips never had. Then it made a lot more sense to keep the "pentium" name as the product name, and use some other means to distinguish between them. After all, who knows (or cares) which "generation" the current P4 is relative to the 486?

Heck, if the "sex" part was such an issue, Intel could have just skipped it and named it's next chip the Septium and touted it as a major innovation warranting the skipping over gen 6. But then you have a whole new name you have to get established and you've set yourself up to have to go through this cycle every several years.

Forget Beastie.... (4, Interesting)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984254)

Beastie, although he is really a BSD thing in general, is most associated with FreeBSD. OpenBSD adopted Puff the Blowfish and it is instantly recognizable as obsd. I think NetBSD design submitters ought to choose a new animal - perhaps a stingray, a lobster, a crab, or some other creature that can defend itself - and go for it. Then NetBSD will have some individual recognizable identity to those outside the BSD aware.

Combine OpenBSD logo with FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984344)

> OpenBSD adopted Puff the Blowfish and it is instantly recognizable
> as obsd. I think NetBSD design submitters ought to
> choose a new animal - perhaps a stingray,

How about combining the fish idea of OpenBSD and the daemon from BSD. Here are a few idea:
* Red or Blue Devil Fish
* Ghost Fish
* Spirit Fish
* Devil Stingray

Re:Forget Beastie.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984356)

How about a borg to simbolizing its power to assimilate any platform, even my toaster.

How cares, it's dying.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984269)

I mean really, BSD is dying, the only question is which one (Free/Net/Open) goes out first? Just look at it: BSDI already dead, Linux gaining momentum all the time, etc, etc.

My own guess is: NetBSD. Linux is already ported to all relevant architectures and is light years ahead in some of them compared to any *BSD (e.g., PPC64). I predict that interest in the NetBSD portability mantra will disappear during next few years.

For others, FreeBSD's fiasco (delays, malfunction, still not what promised [SMP], ...) with 5.x series made a damage to its reputation it will not be able to recover. With Linux 2.6 + NPTL already on the stage, and backed up by IBM, Oracle, NASA, HP, etc, there's not much to look at other free alternatives.

OpenBSD will probably stick for quite some time since their fanatic devel team doesn't really care what goes on in the real world, but that's also a big disadvantage, which will turn many potential users to Linux. Yea, one could say that's only a good thing, but developers usually grow from users, and so with fewer users you'll end up with fewer developers and soon you'll have to admit that a dozen or two developers, no matter how fanatic and devoted, just can't make a modern operating system.

Just my 2 cents.

Sympathy for the daemon (4, Funny)

k98sven (324383) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984273)

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm an OS of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith

And I was 'round when Gary Kildall
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Bill Gates
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

I stuck around Digital
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed VMS and its decendents
The VAXen screamed in vain

I rode my way
through USLs day
when the lawsuit raged
and the licenses stank

Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the OSes they made
I shouted out,
Who killed System V?
When after all
It was you and me

etc... my apology to the Rolling Stones..

Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984276)

How about a Jesus Lizard?

They can run anywhere...

Why cash? Go Open Source! (1)

millwall (622730) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984300)

"There is a cash prize of US $100.00 for the winning entry."

Why don't they just make it an Open Source competition?

If it works for code it can work for graphic/logos!

In contrast to the bashing (3, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984308)

I believe this is a good idea, from a branding standpoint.

The loss of the BSD daemon may be unfortunate, but looking at major brands it's pretty clear recognition doesn't require a cool mascot. To name a few: Nike, Adidas, Mercedez-Benz and Nokia all have rather simple comporate symbols.

If the NetBSD project wishes to look more professional in the eyes of marketeers, this is a good move.

Offended that they are offended! (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984329)

I use NetBSD at home on my Qube2. I like the Demon; in fact I like it a lot. I get the NetBSD logo and I'm amused by it. I don't particularly like though so I agree that a change could be good.

However! I am honestly offended by suggestions that a cartoon demon could be offensive to a sane religion or society. The religions and societies that do find offense in these sorts of things are looking for any excuse to spread hate and frankly I'm sick of it.

Got one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#7984332)

What about a the middle finger? Don't you think it's the perfect symbol of corporates dealing with people? Cum on BSD mail me my 100 bucks :)

new Mascot? (1)

POds (241854) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984343)

Does NetBSD have a mostcot? If so, i assume its the BSD daemon? In which case, does new logo imply new mascot?

How about this one? (1)

Attaturk (695988) | more than 10 years ago | (#7984361)

New NetBSD logo [archive.org]
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